That was an incredibly long way to say "Yes, but..."
Yes, but there are multiple "Black" ethnicities involved and "Race is a Construct". So? "Blacks" aren't genetically any more predisposed towards crime than "Whites". Ok, sure. I'm not seeing any claim contrary to that coming from any mainstream source. I'm also not seeing any particular "Black" associated ethnicity singled out here as not having a youth crime problem, so the more common allegation that there is a pervasive "Black Culture" problem still has basis in observation. I would have expected that there has to be at least one "Black" subgroup you could hold up as a positive example against the stereotyping, but the fact that you didn't mention them suggest there isn't. Conflation of "race", "ethnicity", and "nation of origin" may frustrate scholars, but that which makes no difference effectively IS no different. You didn't have any problem describing the people of Glasgow as "White" without breaking down their various ethnic groups that fall under that umbrella.
Yes, but there's overlap in violent criminality and poverty. So? Poverty and criminality tend to be mutually reinforcing. Nonetheless, there ARE poor communities in this world that are law abiding. Jews and Asians likewise have histories of arriving poor and being discriminated against and marginalized, yet they often end up outperforming the native population in both being law-abiding and economic success. Culture MATTERS as an input, not just as an output. Likewise, commiting crimes is a fast track to finding yourself in poverty even if that's not where you started. You can't just handwave crime away by saying "socioeconomic" and acting like criminal activity is just something people "fall into" as if it were a ditch by the side of the road anyone might accidentally find themselves in. Criminal activity is a choice people make, not a disease they unwittingly catch or spot of bad weather their area is prone to have occasionally.
Yes, but the subculture glorifying violence and criminality is homegrown, not an import direct from other countries. Even if true, So? When young black men are glorifying gangs, violence, and crime in their music and art, is it really supposed to make that any better to say something like "They didn't learn that from Africa!". I'm thrilled to hear criminality is down over there in some places, truly, but that doesn't really invalidate criticism of the gang culture in your own country, now does it?
It would be something if you just said "Yes, but I recommend the following solutions that have worked elsewhere to reduce youth criminality", but you've instead twisted yourself into a rhetorical pretzel trying to deny that the problem really is inextricably tied up with culture and then dance around the obvious fact that changing that culture will need to be part of any solution. Sorry, but no possible amount of throwing money, jobs, and therapy at the problem is going to accomplish much without first acknowledging their current behavior needs to be condemned and laws need to be enforced until those criminal behaviors are no longer glorified by them. The first step to recovery is necessarily admitting there is a problem and desiring to change.
here in Seattle, Washington and the environs troubled male youth are almost exclusively, coming from families with a shortage of adults, i.e. one parent. I’m very sympathetic to looking at root causes, but if we don’t look at family culture, and work to repair that, I don’t see an end site, I resist the connection between poverty and bad parenting
Where in the British public debate is it inferred that violence is inherent to black people? Which individuals are making this inference? That is quite an accusation without evidence to base the rest of the piece upon, and discredits it unless produced.
It can be quite difficult to reference 'the public' when talking about popular discourse and speaking points that come up repeatedly when engaging with people in different contexts. I find this quite a good gauge (not of the average person but people who engage in public debate)
That was an incredibly long way to say "Yes, but..."
Yes, but there are multiple "Black" ethnicities involved and "Race is a Construct". So? "Blacks" aren't genetically any more predisposed towards crime than "Whites". Ok, sure. I'm not seeing any claim contrary to that coming from any mainstream source. I'm also not seeing any particular "Black" associated ethnicity singled out here as not having a youth crime problem, so the more common allegation that there is a pervasive "Black Culture" problem still has basis in observation. I would have expected that there has to be at least one "Black" subgroup you could hold up as a positive example against the stereotyping, but the fact that you didn't mention them suggest there isn't. Conflation of "race", "ethnicity", and "nation of origin" may frustrate scholars, but that which makes no difference effectively IS no different. You didn't have any problem describing the people of Glasgow as "White" without breaking down their various ethnic groups that fall under that umbrella.
Yes, but there's overlap in violent criminality and poverty. So? Poverty and criminality tend to be mutually reinforcing. Nonetheless, there ARE poor communities in this world that are law abiding. Jews and Asians likewise have histories of arriving poor and being discriminated against and marginalized, yet they often end up outperforming the native population in both being law-abiding and economic success. Culture MATTERS as an input, not just as an output. Likewise, commiting crimes is a fast track to finding yourself in poverty even if that's not where you started. You can't just handwave crime away by saying "socioeconomic" and acting like criminal activity is just something people "fall into" as if it were a ditch by the side of the road anyone might accidentally find themselves in. Criminal activity is a choice people make, not a disease they unwittingly catch or spot of bad weather their area is prone to have occasionally.
Yes, but the subculture glorifying violence and criminality is homegrown, not an import direct from other countries. Even if true, So? When young black men are glorifying gangs, violence, and crime in their music and art, is it really supposed to make that any better to say something like "They didn't learn that from Africa!". I'm thrilled to hear criminality is down over there in some places, truly, but that doesn't really invalidate criticism of the gang culture in your own country, now does it?
It would be something if you just said "Yes, but I recommend the following solutions that have worked elsewhere to reduce youth criminality", but you've instead twisted yourself into a rhetorical pretzel trying to deny that the problem really is inextricably tied up with culture and then dance around the obvious fact that changing that culture will need to be part of any solution. Sorry, but no possible amount of throwing money, jobs, and therapy at the problem is going to accomplish much without first acknowledging their current behavior needs to be condemned and laws need to be enforced until those criminal behaviors are no longer glorified by them. The first step to recovery is necessarily admitting there is a problem and desiring to change.
here in Seattle, Washington and the environs troubled male youth are almost exclusively, coming from families with a shortage of adults, i.e. one parent. I’m very sympathetic to looking at root causes, but if we don’t look at family culture, and work to repair that, I don’t see an end site, I resist the connection between poverty and bad parenting
Where in the British public debate is it inferred that violence is inherent to black people? Which individuals are making this inference? That is quite an accusation without evidence to base the rest of the piece upon, and discredits it unless produced.
It can be quite difficult to reference 'the public' when talking about popular discourse and speaking points that come up repeatedly when engaging with people in different contexts. I find this quite a good gauge (not of the average person but people who engage in public debate)
https://x.com/search?q=black%20crime%20in%20london&src=typed_query&f=live
I've never used Twitter so can't access the link. I made the point with the implication that the inference is false. Is it not?
Yes, but I was responding to your request to see evidence of this by providing it.
Ok, thank you.